Comliness Score

topic posted Sat, October 13, 2007 - 2:15 PM by  Dal
I notice the current D&D rules do not have comliness as an ability score. It was in print in the 2 Unearthed Arcana. It gave a bonus to reaction modifiers. Like, if a fine boned gnome suprised a hobgoblin it might be less likley to hack if the gnome had good posture and long eyelashes. Charisma is still important, the ability to see points of views other than one's own and represent class and party. In game mechanics, this also led to a bonus for reaction modifiers. Is a comliness score only realistic in a less arms and armor campaign? Is penciling in character description a more sound way to approach comliness? I used comliness on my custom D&D character sheets and I noticed the discrepancy that PC's threw their lowest die roll to comliness. 8's and such. Thoughts on comliness?
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  • Re: Comliness Score

    Sat, October 13, 2007 - 2:42 PM
    3rd edition wraps physical attractiveness to Charisma.

    "Charisma measures a character’s force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and physical attractiveness."

    Personally I think it's hard to measure something like that (in either CHA or comliness) since attraction is largely an individual thing. For example: many people find Paris Hilton attractive (this a purely off of looks, nothing else) but I do not find her very attractive at all.
    I've worked in Law Enforcement/Corrections for 11 years now...and there have been studies that have shown that a criminal/inmate/etc. is less likely to attack an officer that is well groomed (i.e. shined shoes, clean, pressed uniform,etc.) than a sloppy one. Is this true? I don't know, but it makes sense that someone who is more particuliar in their hygiene & looks has more confidence in themselves than someone who doesn't. This is getting too deep into things for D&D though.
    The thing I've wondered about in 3rd edition is why is CHA linked to the "intimidate skill"? A large, burly, ugly beast of a man can't intimidate very well? It makes no sense.
  • Re: Comliness Score

    Fri, October 19, 2007 - 12:34 AM

    > I notice the current D&D rules do not have comliness as an ability score.

    As others have noted, it's wrapped into "Charisma" now (as it was back in 1e days pre-UA, fwiw).


    > Is a comliness score only realistic in a less arms and armor campaign?
    > Is penciling in character description a more sound way to approach comliness?

    Make it a special Feat, IMHO, only available during char-gen; maybe even have "Improved Comliness" and/or "Greater Comliness" available at higher levels. In fact, you could build multiple feat-trees, involving clear-skin regimens and "healthy glow" tans or "fair skin that has never toiled a day in the sun" stuff. Add some skills, such as "Hairdresser (Dex)," "Fashion Sense (Wis)" "Make-up Artist (Dex)" and "Carriage (how you "carry" yourself - posture, grace, etc) (Con - it takes real fortitude to smile pleasantly while the half-orc is scratching her pits and asking if YOU have fleas, too...".

    In a game featuring social-skills, these could be very relevant.



    > I used comliness on my custom D&D character sheets and I noticed the discrepancy that PC's
    > threw their lowest die roll to comliness. 8's and such. Thoughts on comliness?

    In a combat-centric game (I presume that's what you mean by "arms and armor"), COM is the natural dump-stat. <flamebait>Only a Bard would see it as a "central" stat, and Bards have always been "marginally effective" PC's, particularly at combat-time...</flamebait>


    Note that you really need to get player-buy-in for a campaign in which these "social" and "appearance" Feats and Skills will be as important as (or more important than?) the combat-centric ones so prevalent in the existing core rules...


    - Steve S.
  • Re: Comliness Score

    Fri, October 19, 2007 - 4:07 PM
    I notice the current D&D rules do not have comliness as an ability score. It was in print in the 2 Unearthed Arcana. It gave a bonus to reaction modifiers

    I never liked this attribute in the game. if you like and and want to run with it, I say Go for it.
    • Re: Comliness Score

      Wed, October 24, 2007 - 7:02 AM
      i'm with achbar. appearance is largely a prop for roleplaying- if you want to play an ugly beast you can, and if you want to play a dashing rake you can do that too. the thing is that in 3rd edition by making it more about force of character, either could have a 16 charisma (or a seven). hitler and nosferatu both oozed charisma, and both were nasty and ugly. and as far as reaction goes... do you really think that a troll would hesitate a moment due to the fine, aquiline nose of the party's bard before smashing him into paste?
      • Re: Comliness Score

        Wed, October 24, 2007 - 4:36 PM
        Actually I've taken several college classes about the history of Nazi Germany and according to both texts/ instructors Hitler was kind of a ladies man in his day (also some reports say he was secretly gay). My point is just because someone is ugly by today's American standards, someone may be viewed quite differently in another era/society. He definately had Charisma either way though, to lead the German people so astray.
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          Re: Comliness Score

          Thu, October 25, 2007 - 6:32 PM
          Yes, I recall in the 80's, the demi-humans were both race and class. Essentially, just pieces of folk lore. I'm impressed the halflings have slimmed up for 3.5.
          • Re: Comliness Score

            Fri, October 26, 2007 - 12:12 PM

            > Yes, I recall in the 80's, the demi-humans were both race and class.

            In the original "D&D" (back in the '70s) the elves had no "class" per se -- native Elven abilities included both fighting and magic-use, and a PC would be (for example) a "4th-level Elf". They were (effectively) fighter / magic-user multiclass'es. Hobbits (later sued to "Halflings" by the Tolkien estate) were inherently Rogue-like. Etc.

            Humans were the only race who could be *anything,* and that "generalist" schtick is still the D&D legacy, their "advantage" in the face of all the special stuff the other races get...

            Come along AD&D (and make no mistake, the modern "D&D" (3.x) is clearly derived from "AD&D 1e/2e") and races/classes were split out and each made fully-independent, & available to all...


            - Steve
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              Re: Comliness Score

              Sat, October 27, 2007 - 2:35 PM
              I'm still not done badgering the halfling. Oh how valiant the little creep is, stout, sneaky in the trees. Rummaging through someones gear in the night, considering an easy throat, his only excuse upon capture is "i need to be brave for my missus". With a dull stare, the halfling asks for a snack on top of it. People get so mad, they enlist the halfling, and tell him, "you better be brave". Lol.
        • Re: Comliness Score

          Mon, October 29, 2007 - 8:17 PM
          go college.
          so wait, what were you saying? that hitler was a looker?
          or that he could get the ladies despite his looks, because i believe that that's the crux of our discussion.
          ...as an aside, speaking of his sexual proclivities i've heard that he paid prostitutes to shit on him.

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